Fusing the MoE layer’s two grouped GEMMs is worth 4%, and a CUDA graph already collects it

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w13 and w2 share no weight bytes, so per-expert fusion removes no traffic; a single-launch ceiling probe lands at 21.1 ms against 21.9 ms separate and 17.1 ms of roofline, the same 4% a CUDA graph gets for free.
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2026-09-06

Question. The layer is w13 then SwiGLU then w2, measured at 14.1 + 7.0 ms (2026-09-06-cutlass-nvfp4-sm121). Can the expert weight stream be issued once per layer step instead of once per GEMM?

setup
node GB10, sm_121, 20 Arm cores
kernel 6.17.13-rocket64k, 64 KiB pages
nvcc 13.0.88
commit 9c3ad466756b7ec9f09f631a61d40e0e4406f518
CUTLASS 4.8.0, commit 59e3a3338d516ca6ce0e073af8da65289678a35c

Bytes decide it before the kernel runs

stream bytes note
w13 weights 2.718 GB 288 x 4096 x 4096 x (0.5 + 1/16)
w2 weights 1.359 GB 288 x 4096 x 2048 x (0.5 + 1/16)
total weights 4.077 GB the two share no bytes
activation round trip 0.024 GB at M=8, 0.094 GB at M=32 0.6% and 2.3% of the weight stream
roofline 17.13 ms 4.077 GB at 238 GB/s

Nothing is streamed twice today. The premise of the fusion item was wrong: the gap is 21.9 ms measured against 17.1 ms of roofline, which is achieved bandwidth, not redundancy.

Bench

engines/glm5-moe-nvfp4-2b/bench/moe_layer_fusion.cu, wired via rocket_add_bench().

cmake -S engines/glm5-moe-nvfp4-2b -B engines/glm5-moe-nvfp4-2b/build
cmake --build engines/glm5-moe-nvfp4-2b/build --target bench-moe-layer-fusion -j 8
./engines/glm5-moe-nvfp4-2b/build/bench/bench-moe-layer-fusion --groups=288 --iterations=20

one-launch-2G puts all 288 w13 problems and all 288 w2 problems into one grouped GEMM of 576 groups. It violates the per-expert w13 to w2 dependency and is numerically wrong on its second half. It is timed as the scheduling ceiling of any single-kernel fusion of the two GEMMs, and nothing else. Every other variant checksums identical output to separate.

Layer time

288 experts, ragged per-expert M, 20 iterations.

variant ms at M=8 ms at M=32 roof% at M=8 correct
separate 21.947 22.389 78.1 baseline
cuda-graph 20.999 21.723 81.6 match
chunked-2, 2 streams 20.997 21.651 81.6 match
chunked-4, 2 streams 21.140 21.766 81.0 match
chunked-8, 2 streams 21.284 22.074 80.5 match
chunked-16, 2 streams 21.694 22.547 79.0 match
one-launch-2G 21.188 20.700 80.8 invalid, ceiling
roofline 17.130 17.130 100.0

Three runs at M=8: separate 21.69 to 21.95, cuda-graph 20.97 to 21.27, chunked-2 20.93 to 21.02, one-launch-2G 20.92 to 21.19. The gap between the single-launch ceiling and a CUDA graph is inside that spread.

Stages at M=8:

stage ms share of layer
w13 grouped GEMM 14.955 68.1%
SwiGLU + quantize 0.092 0.4%
w2 grouped GEMM 7.247 33.0%

SwiGLU as an epilogue

An epilogue sees one accumulator tile. SwiGLU multiplies gate by up across a 2048-column offset, so the only stock CUTLASS expression is to split w13 into two grouped GEMMs and have the second read the first as an auxiliary tensor. The grouped dispatch policy has no fusion operation with an auxiliary input.

fusion operation grouped (PtrArray) specialization
LinearCombination yes
LinCombEltAct yes
LinCombBlockScaleFactor yes, Sm120
LinCombEltActBlockScaleFactor yes, Sm120
LinCombDeEltAct (auxiliary input) no, Sm90TmaWarpSpecialized only

bench/evt_swiglu_aux_probe.cu is that configuration. It does not compile:

cmake --build engines/glm5-moe-nvfp4-2b/build --target bench-evt-swiglu-aux-probe
cutlass/epilogue/fusion/callbacks.hpp(55): error: static assertion failed with
  "Could not find a callbacks specialization."
cutlass/epilogue/collective/sm90_epilogue_array_tma_warpspecialized.hpp(239):
  error: class "cutlass::epilogue::fusion::FusionCallbacks<
  cutlass::epilogue::Sm120PtrArrayTmaWarpSpecialized<2, 2, 4, false, true, 2>,
  FusionAuxMul, ...>" has no member "SharedStorage"

The upside is bounded anyway. The SwiGLU and quantize kernel is 0.092 ms at M=8 and 0.412 ms at M=32, so a perfect epilogue fusion removes 0.4% to 1.8% of the layer.

Different globals on the two halves

The loader lane measured different weight_scale_2 globals for gate_proj and up_proj on layer 10 of the checkpoint, 4.650e-05 and 3.778e-05, ratio 1.2308. One epilogue alpha cannot cover both halves of a fused w13. Two options, and this bench measures the first:

option where the globals apply cost
(a) apply per half in the activation kernel the kernel already holds both halves in registers 0.011 ms at M=8, 0.008 ms at M=32
(b) fold the ratio into one half’s e4m3 block scales at load zero at run time mean 2.68% and max 18.75% relative error on the block scales, 3 codes saturate

Option (b) numbers are over all 126 finite positive e4m3 codes, from probe_scale_fold() in the bench. NVFP4’s own e2m1 step is 50% near 1.0, so the fold error is not fatal, but it is paid on every block scale to save two fp32 multiplies that cost 0.05% of the layer.

Option (a) is only available while SwiGLU is a separate kernel. Any future epilogue fusion of SwiGLU forces option (b) or a second grouped GEMM.

The loader lane also confirmed SM120 grouped uses the same Sm1xxBlockScaledConfig scale swizzle as sm_100, so no layout fork was needed and none of these kernels has one.

Tiles below M=8

engines/glm5-moe-nvfp4-2b/bench/nvfp4_tile_sweep.cu.

cmake --build engines/glm5-moe-nvfp4-2b/build --target bench-nvfp4-tile-sweep -j 8
./engines/glm5-moe-nvfp4-2b/build/bench/bench-nvfp4-tile-sweep --groups=288 --iterations=20
tile MxNxK gemm tokens ms GB/s roof%
128x128x128 w13 570 14.968 181.6 76.3
128x64x128 w13 570 18.522 146.7 61.7
128x256x128 w13 570 20.685 131.4 55.2
128x128x256 w13 570 14.867 182.8 76.8
128x128x128 w13 1145 14.589 186.3 78.3
128x64x128 w13 1145 18.752 144.9 60.9
128x256x128 w13 1145 20.470 132.8 55.8
128x128x256 w13 1145 15.031 180.8 76.0
128x128x128 w13 2303 13.985 194.3 81.7
128x64x128 w13 2303 19.252 141.2 59.3
128x256x128 w13 2303 20.579 132.1 55.5
128x128x256 w13 2303 15.041 180.7 75.9
128x128x128 w2 570 7.093 191.6 80.5
128x64x128 w2 570 9.995 136.0 57.1
128x256x128 w2 570 10.673 127.3 53.5
128x128x256 w2 570 8.119 167.4 70.3
128x128x128 w2 2303 6.904 196.8 82.7
128x64x128 w2 2303 9.742 139.5 58.6
128x256x128 w2 2303 10.652 127.6 53.6
128x128x256 w2 2303 7.892 172.2 72.3

Token counts 570, 1145, 2303 are ragged M around means 2, 4 and 8. 128x128x128 wins at every M. Narrowing N to 64 costs 24% to 38%, widening to 256 costs 38%, deepening K to 256 costs 1% on w13 and 14% on w2.

Tile M below 128 is not a configuration that exists. Blk_MN is _128 in include/cutlass/detail/sm100_blockscaled_layout.hpp, and the SM120 mainloop builder forms its shared-memory SFA atom from size<0>(TileShape) / Blk_MN (sm120_blockscaled_mma_builder.inl:199), which is zero at tile M 64. bench/tile_m64_probe.cu takes the non-grouped pingpong NVFP4 schedule, which clears the grouped cooperative kernel’s own size<0>(TileShape) >= 128 assert, and still fails:

cmake --build engines/glm5-moe-nvfp4-2b/build --target bench-tile-m64-probe
cute/atom/copy_traits_sm90_tma.hpp(745): error: static assertion failed with
  "TMA requires CTA_Tile and SLayout top-level size equivalence."
cute/layout.hpp(511): error: static assertion failed with "take: empty range error"

Wasted M extent costs no memory traffic. At M=2 the layer streams the same 4.077 GB as at M=64 and lands within 7% of the same milliseconds, so there is nothing for a smaller M tile to recover.

Verdict

Rejected. Do not fuse w13 and w2. They share no weight bytes, so fusion removes no traffic, and the single-launch ceiling probe lands at 21.19 ms against 20.99 ms for a CUDA graph over the unchanged three kernels. Take the CUDA graph, which is 4% and costs one capture.

Also rejected: a SwiGLU epilogue, which CUTLASS 4.8.0 cannot express for grouped GEMM and which would be worth 0.4% to 1.8% if it could. Also rejected: sub-128 tile M, which does not exist for block-scaled NVFP4 and would recover nothing.

Next. Ours to build:

  • capture the layer as a CUDA graph in the engine, since 4% is free and already measured
  • keep the two weight_scale_2 globals in the activation kernel, option (a), and record the ratio per expert pair at load
  • the remaining 18% is w13 at 186 to 194 GB/s against a 238 GB/s roofline, which is a mainloop question and not a layer-structure question; profile the w13 grouped GEMM against the raw read benchmark on the same access pattern
  • chunking past 2 loses time monotonically, 20.997 to 21.694 ms from 2 to 16 chunks; find out whether that is tail effect or scheduler workspace before choosing a chunk count for the engine

Reopen if.

  • CUTLASS adds a pointer-array specialization for a fusion operation with an auxiliary input, which would make the SwiGLU epilogue expressible
  • Blk_MN stops being 128 for block-scaled layouts, which would make tile M 64 expressible
  • the measured read roofline on this box moves off 238 GB/s